The Iron Maiden
Bootleg Master List thread!

Part 1

This is an archive of the thread we had on the official Iron Maiden bulletin board trade section.
Where we worked on verifying concert dates and weather or not a boot actually existed of the show.
It is meant to be used as a reference tool. Anyone can feel free to save any use any part of this that they wish.

This page contains all the relevant posts from the pages 1 through 10 of the 41 page thread. The first few pages were a condensed version of yet another, earlier thread that was even bigger.

Part 1
pages 1-10 of the thread
Part 2
pages 11-25 of the thread
Part 3
pages 26-41 of the thread
MASTER LIST
courtesy of Ryan
1981 German shows
4 pages fleshing out
which are which .
Back to my site
my trading pages
Other
other posts of interest
Unsurfaced Iron Maiden Audio Recordings.
A listing of all the shows that do not have an audio recording in circulation yet.

 

The purpose of this thread is to help document all the known bootlegs from Iron Maiden.
Also to help weed out fakes, and mis-dated shows.

There are several online resources that can be used to help verify boolegs.

Ryans Master List - very comprehensive. Lists all known tour dates, and marks the ones that are known to have recordings in circulation.

Skoog's tourdate list Robert has been doing this a long time and has compiled a great list. A lot of other lists online are based off of his.

Steven's bootleg list One of the most complete collections of Iron Maiden bootlegs I have seen listed online. He also notes fake recordings.

The original thread that all the early posts in this one were copied from.

Eventually we hope to get the list from that thread posted somewhere online by someone that will keep it up to date. The person who originally started the first thread hasn't been around to keep it up to date. For now, we are working on making Ryan's list as complete as possible.
So if you know of bootlegs that are in circulation please post.
If you see any that you think are fake, please post.
If you see any that need the dates corrected (either bootleg, or tour date) please post.

Please keep in mind, that we are trying to get an accurate list. For this we need some decent evidence. Sure, posting, I was there at such-and-such a date is helpful, but it isn't enough to prove the date is true. If a bunch of people step up and state the same information, then of course that carries a lot more weight. Scans of flyers or ticket stubs are even better though.
Also, if someone pops up and says "hey I have this show" it will be noted. But if it isn't in circulation, it probably won't be marked as existing. If other traders can't verify that it is for real, then how do we know it does in fact exist?
This post will be used for some of the more pressing questions we are looking for answers too.

Page 21 - 2003.10.24 - Munich, Germany - What's the story on this? Was this date played?

Page 20 - Prague 88 Did this show happen or not? 25 August 1988.

Page 19 - Killers leg tour dates discussion: http://www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=73860

Page 12-13 - Cleveland 82 - which show is the bootleg actually from?

Page 13 - 1981.03.31 - Reggio Emilia, Italy is it actually Reggi, or is it France?

The August 81 german show discussion
http://www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=81070
Originally Posted by H. Mattiello 736. 05/12/1998 - Anhembi SP, Sao Paulo, BRA

This boot DO NOT exist!

It's in fact a bad copy of the gig in Curitiba, one day later!

Originally Posted by ead666 hummm about 101 to 200 :

• 107. 14/04/1982 - Le Zenith, Nancy, FRA => don't have seen this one on any list ... I don't think that it exists
• 114. 1982/05/14 Cobo Hall Detroit MI USA Fake its actually 1982/09/25 Cleveland
• 116. 1982/05/22 Richfield Coliseum Cleveland OH USA Fake its actually 1982/08/03
• 122. 03/07/1982 - Richfield Coliseum, Buffalo, NY, USA => don't have seen this one on any list ... I don't think that it exists
• 134. 21/09/1982 - Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, Illinois, USA Fake ...
• 140. 23/10/1982 - War Memorial, Rochester, NY, USA => don't have seen this one on any list ... I don't think that it exists
• 141. 16/11/1982 - Brisbane, AUS Fake ... fake actually poor recording of 1982/03/09
• 158. 21/05/1983 - Odeon, Birmingham, ENG => don't have seen this one on any list ... I don't think that it exists

Originally Posted by MaidenOnslaught I got a show that was Tampa 88 and when I listen to it, Bruce was saying, sh*t I cant remember now . Anyways, I thik he was saying Hammersmith. And the f**ker had covers for it saying that it was in Tampa.

tay666
Yep, there are covers that say Tampa.
It is completely possible that whoever you got it from doesn't know the show is wrong.
There are a lot of traders that just go blindly by what they are told when they get shows. Never check for accuracy. And it just keeps propogating.
That is why there are so many fake shows in circulation. Most are just because people don't know any better.

Like Ryan mentioned. It took me forever to get the correct shows for Bruce's warm up tour because there were so many that were nothing more than mis-labeled Milan shows.

Originally Posted by ead666 From 201 to 300 :

• 209. 14/08/1984 - Sportshall Makoszowy, Katowice, POL => only in VCD, not in audio bootleg
• 212. 18/08/1984 - Sajam Exhibition Centre, Belgrade, Yugoslavia => fake actually faster version of 1984/10/26
• 214. 21/08/1984 - Parcagalvani, Pordenone, ITA => fake actually full version of 1984/10/22
• 231. 25/09/1984 - Apollo Theatre, Manchester, ENG => fake
• 239. 08/10/1984 - Hammersmith Odeon, London, ENG => don't have seen on any list ...
• 265. 07/12/1984 - Corral Arena, Calgary, Alberta, CAN
• 266. 12/12/1984 - McNichols Arena, Denver, Colorado, USA => wrong date. No gig for this date
• 277. 18/01/1985 - Radio City Music Hall, NY City, NY, USA => fake
• 279. 20/01/1985 - Radio City Music Hall, NY City, NY, USA => don't have seen on any list ...
• 281. 27/01/1985 - Capital Center, Largo, Maryland, USA => don't have seen on any list ...
• 289. 17/03/1985 - Long Beach Arena, Los Angeles, CA, USA => fake
Originally Posted by ead666 • 281. 27/01/1985 - Capital Center, Largo, Maryland, USA => don't have seen on any list ...

tay666
Mis-dated. Should be 1/28/85

Originally Posted by davidpotesta I think that is the case on a lot of these. Some of the confusion probably starts with dates being transposed for internation trades: a US trader would write 02/04/05 to mean February 4th 2005, and a trader from the UK would write 02/04/05 to mean April 2nd 2005. Also, what has happened to me is I've received discs with bad writing and I posted the date wrong sue to bad writing on the discs.
Originally Posted by darthrya So, do these shows exist? Is it just that people got the dates/places wrong? Long Beach is 2/8/81 and Nuremburg is 16/8/81.

I'm sure some are honest mistakes.
While some other are fraudulent boots by traders trying to pass off "rare" shows.
Especially on the early stuff that was circulated before the 'digital age'.
I'm sure a lot of traders didn't have access to tourdate info like we do now.

Originally Posted by Caveman Ninja Nicely done But you appear to be missing the secret date they did in Norwich under some assumed name before the Virtual XI tour... sorry, I don't mean to be a wise-ass or anything, I just know you take pride in your accuracy and completeness. I don't even know the date, I just know that it happened and that there's no bootleg of it.
Originally Posted by darthrya Robert doesn't have it on his site, which is wierd, since he'd at least put it up as a suspected show. I'll add to my site. Thanks.

And BTW, any criticism is welcome. I want my list to be as accurate as possible.
Originally Posted by darthrya Robert, I have some info on the Milwaukee Summerfest. It's several days long, so the 22nd in 1981 could've been the start date of the festival, and the 26th could be the actual date when Iron Maiden played. Or, the 22nd could still be the actual date. I'll find out more tomorrow, hopefully.
Originally Posted by tosse2 Cool. I┤m looking forward to it.
As it turned out, a Priest freak that I knew said at the time that the Maiden dates were wrong, if they were support band to Priest, and we all know that they were. The tourdate that Maiden have, was the original planed tour but was changed due to poor ticket sale and so on. He state that the one that I have on my list, is the right one. God knows who to trust.

But since Maiden have so much wrong in their list and I┤ve been going through tons of Priest tourdate list, I assume that they were right.

About the "Headline" dates that Maiden did in Canada & US (Milwaukee included) are a blur and if I┤m wrong, I┤m wrong. I do hope we can sort things out. And I┤m not mad or anything. We must be abile to argue about stuff, if not, we┤re in the wrong place.

Keep the info coming.

By the way, I have got the date for the TV show "Rock Pop" comfirmed by the German TV company. Or to be more correct, it was broadcast on Nov. 8th 1980. This means however that it might have been recorded a few dayes before that but it is Adrian┤s first.
Originally Posted by darthrya I'VE GOT IT!

One of the Milwaukee historians I called pulled up the dates for Summerfest. They were... (drum-roll please )



25 June through 5 July.


Now, the big question is, did the band play Summerfest? The bootleg for years has claimed it was Summerfest. Did the flyer you saw state Maiden was playing at Summerfest, or was it a general Summerfest flyer?
Originally Posted by tosse2 This is great news. The flyer I saw was was a bit old but It stated 22 to 3rd but it might been a old one. Fuck I┤ve been blind sometimes....

This might put the original dates for the headline tour back to where they were. Let us work on the Priest dates and we will figue things out.

GOOD WORK DARTHRAY!!!!
Originally Posted by darthrya The historian told me to call back in a few hours while she goes through old newspaper clippings from 21-27 June to see if Judas Priest or Iron Maiden are mentioned playing in Milwaukee. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't mentioned. At the time, US general opinion of heavy metal was really low, and newspapers usually don't put much effort giving coverage to unpopular events that don't have any realy controversy. Also considering that Maiden was still an unproved band by US standards, I doubt they got any newspaper coverage at all.

Back to the flyer: Summerfest is 11 days, Thursday through two Sundays later, every year. The 22 June through 3 July dates don't match this, but the 25 June - 5 July dates do. I am only mentioning this just in case there are second thoughts about the flyers the Milwaukee Historical Society has.
Originally Posted by davidpotesta There are usually upwards of 100 different bands at Summerfest. If Maiden aren't mentioned, that doesn't mean they weren't there. There's just too many bands playing there for them all to be mentioned. I know they were there. My uncle saw them there and the next year at Chicagofest.
Originally Posted by darthrya CONFIRMED!
Newspapers from 1981 confirm Iron Maiden did play Summerfest on 26 June 1981.

Robert, here's some more info that may or may not be helpful. According to newspapers covering Summerfest that year, there is no mention of Judas Priest. However, a newspaper did report that Judas Priest played at the Auditorium in Milwaukee on May 10th. Also, there's a newspaper report of Priest in Milwaukee on 27 June 1980.
Originally Posted by tay666 Cool bit of detective work there Ryan.

As to Rober's list, I will attest to his willingness to discuss and debat dates.
I think his first concern is accuracy with no thoughts of hurt pride involved.

I've been involved in several debates about specific dates that have turned up some great and interesting information.

Now if we could just get some hard evidence of the actual date of the 91 Paul Ricard show.
1991.07.26 or 1991.09.21
Quote from Robert's site.
Originally Posted by Chris the Metalist Hey Ryan!

Why did you write: 1998.09.20 - Copenhagen, Denmark* (if this show exists, it may actually be the 23 September show in Helsinki)???

You have a copy from my master, don't you?
Originally Posted by darthrya I have a show query that is perplexing me:

What is the date(s) for when Maiden played Toronto in 1987? Skoog lists two shows: 20 and 22 March. However, Marco lists just one show: 21 March. I think it's unlikely the band did two dates in Toronto, but I don't know for sure.

As for the Milwaukee show on 8 or 10 March, I am kicking myself in the ass for not getting confirmation on that when I was investigating the Milwaukee 81 show. Maybe sometime later - I don't want to pester those nice people at the County Library and Historical Society again for a while.
Originally Posted by darthrya As for the Milwaukee show on 8 or 10 March, I am kicking myself in the ass for not getting confirmation on that when I was investigating the Milwaukee 81 show. Maybe sometime later - I don't want to pester those nice people at the County Library and Historical Society again for a while

Originally Posted by GreenStreet Quote:

Assuming you mean the 1987 gig, I'm fairly certain it's the 10th. IIRC, Bruce mentions - before Running Free I think - that a) they played "Madison last night", and b) "Chicago tomorrow night".

I haven't got my CDs here at the moment, so can't check it right now, but someone should be able to verify it - or kick my ass for being wrong

Originally Posted by ead666 The correct date for this gig is 21/09/1991.
What is written on Robert's site is totally right. Each september, a Moto Endurance competition was taking place in Autodrome of Le Castellet, near Toulon in the south of France (and near from my home ). This event was 3 days longer : the Friday : qualifications + some competitions (not the main one), the saturday : beginning of the competition, which was a 24 hours endurance run ! A concert was always given by rock or metal bands on the saturday night... and it was the case for Maiden the 21/09/91.

I have severals sources which can confirmed this date : reviews of this gig in Hard Rock Magazine, in Metal Hammer magazine, and review in Hard Force Magazine. I have also an advertissement for this gig in Rock & Folk magazine.

Anyway, others bands played in Le Bol d'Or the next years, like Trust or ... Bruce Dickinson in 1994 (with Skin & The Almighty opening for him) the 17/09/94

I think that the confusion came from the fact they were also a moto competition on the 21/07/1991 at Le Castellet ... but it was not the same competition : it was a GP competition (125, 250 & 500 cc).

About the Maiden gig, Maiden played in front of 30.000 bikers & Maiden fans, and between 2 songs, they could hear for sure the sound of the motocycles !
I am positive the 3/17/85 Long Beach show I got is a fake. (recieved it as 3/15 but Running Free Bruce says he wants the crowd to be louder than Friday and Saturday.)

Just got done listening to it side-by-side with LAD

These 16 tracks are identical to LAD

Churchill's Speech/Aces High
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
Revelations
Flight of Icarus
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Phantom of the Opera
Powerslave
Wrathchild
22 Acacia Avenue
Children of the Damned
Die With Your Boots On
Number of the Beast
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Iron Maiden
Run to the Hills

These 2 tracks are from the Running Free EP
Murders in the Rue Morgue
Sanctuary

I suspect that Losfer Words is from this release.
Quote:
IRON MAIDEN Live After Death (UK limited edition double picture CD including 12-track CD album plus 3-track bonus CD featuring Losfer Words Big 'Orra, Sanctuary & Murders In The Rue Morgue, picture sleeve CDEM1575).



That only leaves the audience participation from Running Free as unknown source. Anyone know where this might have come from? The rest of Running Free is identical to LAD.

The reason I am positive it is a fake, and not an actual boot, because if it were a boot.
Not all the LAD songs would be from one show like that.
We would have the guitar solo
We would have the band introductions


Anyone have any thoughts or comments?

Originally Posted by JohnBoyWalton just because someone has a fake show, doesnt mean a real version doesnt exist. at least 3 of the 4 Long Beech shows are known to exist (all but the second night). anybody who has "slavery uncensored", ("soundboard" second night) should check it ... its really a rip from one of the official releases (tape, LP, laser disc, or video). here are the dialogs from the 3 known audience shows

Mar 14, 1985 Los Angeles, California - Long Beach Arena

(Pre "Revelations") " ... Ha Ha Ha ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... All right, hang on ... This is song off of Piece Of Mind album we wrote all about religion and all kinds of things like that ... doesnt really refer to people who have thier heads stuck up thier asses ... but if they wouldnt mind fucking off and dying, they'd do the world a great service ... Song called Revelations, this one"

(Pre "Ancient Mariner") "A little pixie ... a little pixie just whispered in my ear and said did you know ... iron maiden are doing some shows at long beach this year ... and they're recording them for a live album, did you know that (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... not many people know that ... ha ha ha ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) that's what i call enthusiasm (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... so if you ... if you shout very loud, you might even hear yourselves in this next album ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) out around Christmas i think, alright (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... we're gonna ... we're gonna do a little song for you now off the new album ... the new albums by the way called powerslave, if any of you ... and uh, this song was written by a guy ... a bloke called samual taylor coolridge wrote the idea for this song, alright ... which is also a very long song because this song is about 13 minutes long (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... MORE DIALOG EXISTS



Mar 16, 1985 Los Angeles, California - Long Beach Arena

(Pre "The Trooper") "Well good evening to you Long Beach Arena ... And how are we all tonight, alright ... Saturday night, the 3rd of four nights here, that Iron Maiden are doing at this .. at this venue, right ... last year we did one night, this year we're doing four, right ... that must ... that must tell you something ... this is a song which is on the Piece Of Mind album, right ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... song called The Trooper"

(Pre "Revelations") "Well a very good evening to you again (SLURRED) ... Phew ... Thirsty work up here, thirsty work ... you might see ahh ... dont worry about it, if you see a strange ... strange thing looking over pre-historic monster roaming the stage tonight, we are actually ... we're actually filming (INDISTINGUISHABLE) for Wheaties here tonight ... no, really ... actually we're making a ... we're making a kind of video thing tonight ... it's going to go on sale all over the world, alright ... as the Iron Maiden video, alright ... and we had to select an audience ... we had to select an audience worthy of putting them on cameras in front of millions and millions of people (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... anybody remember from the album The Number Of The Beast, it was called i do believe ... yes, yes - way back, way back ... and all that shit we used to get in those days ... what was it ? ... agents of satan ... devil worshipers .. all that crock of bullshit from all those people ... drunk out of thier asses all the time, you know what i mean ... you can always recognize one of those religeous people ... cause thier heads ... you cant see thier heads, cause its stuck up thier bum, when thier talking to you ... strange group of people ... in fact, they would ... they would do the world a really good favor if all of them would walk into the nearest cliff and fuck off and die or something like that, alright ... right, Revelations this ones called"

(Pre "Ancient Mariner") "We've got this new album wondering around somewhere ... wondering around in the streets ... the album is called powerslave, alright ... when we did the album, we thought, we'd uh ... we would'nt bother with the usual three and a half minute hit singles and all that kind rubbish and everything ... we'd go for something a little bit more substantial ... something with a bit more balls to it ... something with a bit more meat to it, you know what i mean ... we came up with this idea for a song based on an old english poem, right ... very very old poem ... its about ... oh ...hundreds of pages of poetry on this thing ... its about 13 and a half minutes of music this little track, anyways ... this thing we're going to play for you tonight ... the strange thing about it ... the strange thing about, is that the guy who wrote it, right ... wrote it, long long time ago back in the ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) 19th century of england, who's name was samual taylor coolridge ... who's long dead now, right ... but, when he wrote it ... now this is a strange reflection on our time, right ... if your going around town ... your smoking a joint, right ... someone's going to bust you & tell you it's bad for your health & all that kind of shit (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... this guy ... this guy wrote one of the most amazing pieces of poetry in the english language, right ... and he wrote it when he was stoned out of his brains, ok (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... and further more ... further more ... at the time when he wrote this poem, right ... a time when he wrote it ... there was a young lady in england called queen victoria ... who's the queen of england ... and i dont know if you know this ... because marijuana then was legal in england, right ... it was completely legal ... queen victoria used to wonder into the toilet when she used to get real bad period pains ... and she used to have a couple of joints, you know ... to kinda to sooth the pain ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) some nice policeman come ups tries to bust you for having a joint ... you just tell him ... hey look (INDISTINGUISHABLE) the queen of england used to smoke this shit, and it never did them any harm ... (INDISTINGUISHABLE) state of the empire, but who gives a shit about that ... the rime of the ancient mariner"



Mar 17, 1985 Los Angeles, California - Long Beach Arena

(Pre "The Trooper") "Oh Long Beach Arena ... This the fourth (INDISTINGUISHABLE) of Iron Maiden's little residency down here in Southern California ... And this is also the night, when we're actually recording this concert for a live transmission around the world ... and you nice people out there, are going to be on the definitive Iron Maiden double live album thats going to be out sometime ... Here is a song off the Piece Of Mind album ... the song is called, The Trooper! ... Now let me see your hands in the air!"

(Pre "Revelations") "Nice to see you ... and seeing ya is nice ... Ha Ha Ha ... What was it ?, Number Of The Beast i do believe was the album (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... remember all that uh ... remember all that shit that we used to get on the number of the beast album ... iron maiden are devil worshipers ... satinists ... about to corrupt the youth of America ... what a load of old bullshit really, you know what i mean ... honestly, very interging ... you can always recognize one of those people, you know, saying all this stuff, you know ... cause usually they're wondering around in thier little business suit and little tie ... you cant see thier head, cause it's stuffed firmly up thier asshole, you know what i mean ... anyway, enough said about people like that ...heres a song off huh, Piece Of Mind this one ... written about religion ... or about washing your car ... actually it's about i think a pair of curtains ...songs called Revelations, this one"

(Pre "Ancient Mariner") "Hey ... How many of you guys here tonight, uh listen ... last time we played Los Angeles, right ... last year on the Piece Of Mind tour ... last time we played here, we did one night here and we sold out ... now this time, we've done 4 nights and we've sold out, and i wanna were all the fuck all you people have come from all of a sudden, you know what i mean ... hey, why arent you at home watching your MTV, you know what i mean ... yeah, i kn.. know exactly what you mean ... i think the whole fucking thing sucks (INDISTINGUISHABLE) ... well listen ... how many people ... just, just give us a (INDISTINGUISHABLE) because i'm curious, you know ... for my own curiousity, really ... how many of you people here tonight (INTERFERENCE NOISE) seen us on ...Uh ? Hello (Bruce Suprised By Noise) seen us on huh, thursday, friday or saturday night here ... in that case ... you'd be ... you'd be very pleased to hear that i dont say the same fucking thing every night, more or less, you know what i mean ... you'll also know something about the next song we're going to do, alright ... which is uh, the 13 minute one, the one thats on the new album ... the new album called powerslave ... remember that ... just to recap, we did this 13 minute song on this new album we got called powerslave ... and theres a song written by a drug crazed English poet ... called Samuel Taylor Coolridge ... who used to take the same drugs as Queen Victoria, which is to say he used to go have a couple of joints around the back, you know what i mean, cause it used to be legal in those days ... and the moral of this story, this is what not to do if a bird shits on you ... The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner"
Originally Posted by tay666 I understand that.
That is why I say this one that I have is a fake because all the dialog is the same as LAD so it can't be from just one night.
I originally got it as 3/15/85 then after listening thought was 3/17/85 because durring Running Free Bruce says he wants the crowd to be louder than Friday and Saturday.

I am curious where Running Free came from on this compilation though. Since all the versions I have have the audience participation edited from them. And the sound of the song sounds just as good as the other official tracks.
Originally Posted by tay666 That is another major factor in the continuing of mis-information about shows.
Covers with wrong dates or venues.
There are a bunch of them out there.
Originally Posted by Caveman Ninja Darthrya, in case you didn't see Danny has confirmed the date of that Norwich '98 secret gig as 22nd April. He has a friend who was there, so it can go on the list. No boot though, unfortunately
Originally Posted by ead666 Summerfest in Milwaukee the 26/06/1981 ???

And what 's about the bootleg from the Lynwood gig from the same date we have ????
Originally Posted by darthrya The Lynnwood date is actually the 27th. Just look at the Master List for more information.
Originally Posted by SRFC ULTRAS I checked this list to find the date for munich 2000, and you don't have it listed.
I have this gig, it's definitely munich as bruce goes on a classic rant about the munich fire department.
Originally Posted by tay666 You are correct. The date isn't on the list.
Date should be July 5th 2000.

That is why we have this thread. To work towards having the most correct list out there.
Originally Posted by darthrya Moscow 93
I just found out that my version of the second night, on 4 Jun 93 is really the third night. At the end of Sanctuary, Bruce thanks the fans for all three nights.

Since the 2nd night was considered the only for-sure circulating copy of the 3 shows in Moscow, I am wondering if everyone who has that show really has the third night, like me.

Thanks to Gary Davies for bringing this up!
Originally Posted by Iron Paddy Hmmmm Well spotted Batman

Mine is the same. Obviously from the 3rd night not the 2nd as I thought it was.
Originally Posted by Iron Paddy Thinking out loud......
The artwork for Moscow 2nd Night doesn't have Sanctuary on the tracklisting.....Is it possible the 2nd Night exists but doesn't include this track for some reason?
Originally Posted by mariner666 Neither is in mine. But I guess this is the one done by Alex? It┤s one of his very old artworks. I guess there is no covers yet for the full show.
Originally Posted by juju If I remember, both recordings comes from the last show. one is complete and. Same show, different source & recordings
Originally Posted by darthrya Today I went to the Oregon Historical Society's headquarters and rummaged through old newspapers to verify Maiden's 1991 dates. I found that what Skoog has is mostly likely correct. A Salem newspaper reported that Maiden was scheduled to play in Salem on 10 March. Portland newspapers make no mention of the band playing in Portland on 22 March (what Gamba has in his book).

The only reason why I am not 100% sure that Skoogs dates are correct is that there is a small possibility that the band cancelled a chunk of the tour and rescheduled new dates before the newspapers in Oregon could print them. I doubt this is the case, but it is a possibility.
Originally Posted by juju Here is a few things I found on the billboard Box score :

It concern just a part of priest / Maiden tour in 81 :

This is maiden official Datas :
Pittsburgh Stanley Theatre Pennsylvania, USA 1981.07.04
Johnson City Freedom Hall Tennessee, USA 1981.07.10
Memphis North Hall Tennessee, USA 1981.07.11
Rochester Auditorium Theatre New York, USA 1981.07.17

New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.22
New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.23
New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.24


Billboard datas :

Pittsburgh Stanley Theatre Pennsylvania, USA 1981.07.07
Johnson City Freedom Hall Tennessee, USA 1981.07.11
Memphis North Hall Tennessee, USA 1981.07.12
Rochester Auditorium Theatre New York, USA 1981.07.18

New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.22
New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.23
New York City The Palladium New York, USA 1981.07.24

(only 3 NY shows not 4)
Originally Posted by darthrya Chris Noon emailed me and confirmed that he was at the Salem show on 10 March. I think that settles it as far as I am concerned.
Originally Posted by ead666 humm... a question which seemed to still not have an answer :

what's about these 2 bootlegs that most of us have :

1981-03-21 Paris, France, Le Bataclan
1981-03-31 Reggio Emilia Italy, Palasport

About the first one : well, i had received it for a long time, but it is in fact a quite bad recording / version of the bootleg we are used to have for "1981-03-31 Reggio Emilia". Listen to both carefully, and we'll see that both bootlegs are from the same gig ...

On the other hand, on both recordings (which ARE TAKEN FROM THE SAME GIG....), we can hear Paul speaking french ..... but i can't remember having hear Paul telling the venue name of this bootleg...

So does anybody have more infos ??
Originally Posted by hmc_777 this recording is taken either from the lp bootleg "The Time Conquerors" or cd bootleg "Live in Reggio Emilia" and both say its really reggio emilia. it doesnt surprise me paul speaking in french in italy. when he came here this year he said puta madre, cabron, words that no one here knows what they mean
Originally Posted by ead666 Thanx Heitor... so that is to mean that Paris '1981 doesn't exist ?
Originally Posted by hmc_777 we never know for sure mate.
Originally Posted by texasknight OK ! After going thru the list of cassette tapes on this thread
http://www.ironmaiden.org/showthread.php?t=49930
I have found these 3 shows that were listed that do not show to be KNOWN recordings of these shows. With luck, I will have the cassettes in hand in 7-10 days and can get them listened to, and transfered to CD. If even one of these shows is geniune, then another "NEW" bootleg has been unearthed...And if all 3 are authentic, then that would ROCK !

The shows are (taken from the lists on page 1 of this thread)

***59. 21/05/81 - Kosei Nenkin Hall, Tokyo, JPN

***265. 07/12/1984 - Corral Arena, Calgary, Alberta, CAN

***281. 27/01/1985 - Capital Center, Largo, MD, USA

More info will be posted here once I get the shows in hand and can do some verification.....
Originally Posted by darthrya Largo exists. The date is the 28th.

Calgary also exists.

People have reported that Tokyo (21 May) exists, but I haven't seen it on the big traders lists. The one floating around is quite possibly another Japan show.


David needs to update that list. He hasn't even touched it in months.
Originally Posted by darthrya First of all, I trust Sebastian and every regular here with a solid reputation. However, I take nothing for granted, except from two traders who I know are very scrutinizing in verifying that shows are what traders claim them to be.

Now, since it seems that two other good traders here have it, and I know they'll be spreading it, and the fact that I know Heitor has a scrutinizing ear, I feel safe in adding it.

So, I guess I do take more than Steven's and Trevor's word for it. I guess I can inlude Heitor for my "granted" list because I know he's got a good reputation for a very sharp ear.

But, in all honesty, I still want to keep my "for granted" list minimal to prevent easy mistakes. I hope everyone understands.
tay666
Here are some links to other threads that have a lot of usefull information.

This thread - Sorts out the dates of the Moscow 93 shows.

This thread - discusses the Long Beach 85 shows.
darthrya
Trevor,

Good work! This is exactly what I was hoping this thread would be.

One recommended change: the idea of working my list to make it as complete as possible should be changed to the goal of making all three of the lists as complete as possible. Sure, I like to tout my list as the one, but it's more about everyone reaching an understanding and agreeing (through reasonable historical methodology) to what is correct, which means improvement is needed in mine, Skoog's, and Steven's. We all know I owe a lot to these two guys for my list. (insert an "I'm not worthy smiley" here ). While I belive mine to be the most accurate, I do know that I am biased.

I just suggest changing the wording from, "working on Ryan's list as complete as possible" to "working on all three of these lists to become as complete as possible."

It's just a suggestion. To everyone else out there, we couldn't have a better person in charge of this thread. Trevor takes this stuff very seriously, and I owe my dedication to accuracy to him and the work put into the hobby by Steven and Skoog.
tay666
I see what you are saying, but yours is the only one being actively updated.
Steven isn't even working on a list as such. His is just his list of bootlegs. He is very meticulous about detecting fakes and getting the dates correct, but he is not working on a reference list.

Robert hasn't really been active around here for quite a while. He has been busy with real life issues of moving, repairing his house, etc.

So that leaves your list as the default.
At least until someone does something with Dave's list.
Originally Posted by tay666 I see what you are saying, but yours is the only one being actively updated.
Steven isn't even working on a list as such. His is just his list of bootlegs. He is very meticulous about detecting fakes and getting the dates correct, but he is not working on a reference list.

Robert hasn't really been active around here for quite a while. He has been busy with real life issues of moving, repairing his house, etc.

So that leaves your list as the default.
At least until someone does something with Dave's list.

darthrya

I see. Maybe we should reflect that Steven has a reputable ear for fakes, and therefore his collection should be seen as a guide to what shows are know to be real, and that my list reflects this. After all, he is one of about 4 traders here I take their word for granted as absolute when I need to know if a show really does exist.

Iron Paddy
So what is the plan for David's list. Ryan you mentioned me to update etc. Is it a bit pointless to have so many Master Lists. You have done a great job on yours and I use it all the time and where possible add my input.

What would be the use in David's one now. If you still want to keep his list and for me to update it then no prob. Expect info to be used from your site to help me do this lol
Originally Posted by Iron Paddy So what is the plan for David's list. Ryan you mentioned me to update etc. Is it a bit pointless to have so many Master Lists. You have done a great job on yours and I use it all the time and where possible add my input.

What would be the use in David's one now. If you still want to keep his list and for me to update it then no prob. Expect info to be used from your site to help me do this lol

darthrya


I guess we are going to scrap David's since it seems that most of everyone here is happy with mine and Skoog's. But, I am going to save the information he has so that his hard work isn't lost. I'd be pissed if I disappeared for a deployment only to find when I came back, someone trashed my hard work because I wasn't around to make the necessary updates.

darthrya
Neil, speaking of your comment about a permanent, regular person here controlling the list, it made me think about my military obligations that make me have to disappear every now and then. To fix this problem, I'll work something out with Trevor so that he can run my list if I'm ever gone longer than a month.
Originally Posted by darthrya I guess we are going to scrap David's since it seems that most of everyone here is happy with mine and Skoog's. But, I am going to save the information he has so that his hard work isn't lost. I'd be pissed if I disappeared for a deployment only to find when I came back, someone trashed my hard work because I wasn't around to make the necessary updates.

Iron Paddy


No prob. Sounds like the best way to go. Having too many Master Lists will eventually lead to conflict and confusion.

Anyway doesn't Master mean original/best/only etc

Originally Posted by darthrya Neil, speaking of your comment about a permanent, regular person here controlling the list, it made me think about my military obligations that make me have to disappear every now and then. To fix this problem, I'll work something out with Trevor so that he can run my list if I'm ever gone longer than a month.

Iron Paddy


Good point. Forgot that you "disappear" every now and then. There was a time not long ago when new info was coming through but you weren't about to be able to update it. Having Trevor as a backup would ensure your site is kept as up to date as possible

tay666
Well, that is another advantage to this thread.
The new info is posted here, so anyone waiting for an update, can just see what is waiting to be added as well.
bouvet°ya


Just a word concerning Nancy 14/04/1982 bootleg: i traded this bootleg once and the copy i received was actually a bad clone of Oxford 82. I haven't seen this bootleg twice among traders lists. I do think this bootleg does not exist so far. I am from Nancy and i might go for more investigations... (to be continued?).
Originally Posted by bouvet°ya Just a word concerning Nancy 14/04/1982 bootleg: i traded this bootleg once and the copy i received was actually a bad clone of Oxford 82. I haven't seen this bootleg twice among traders lists. I do think this bootleg does not exist so far. I am from Nancy and i might go for more investigations... (to be continued?).


darthrya


I have it as possible because people claim to have it, but no one has yet proved to me its authenticity.

bouvet°ya

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthrya I have it as possible because people claim to have it, but no one has yet proved to me its authenticity.



Of course !

Another information i may give about another show: Cologne 22/12/1995 (2nd night): the corresponding bootleg seems to exist; i have a sample of it (but as MP3-sourced): during the show, Blaze mentions these words:
- before "Fortunes of War": "hello Cologne, see ya (...) anybody here last time?"
- before "the Aftermath": "Happy X-mas, happy new year. (...) this is the last show this year in Germany..."

So long.

Iron Paddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bouvet°ya Of course !

Another information i may give about another show: Cologne 22/12/1995 (2nd night): the corresponding bootleg seems to exist; i have a sample of it (but as MP3-sourced): during the show, Blaze mentions these words:
- before "Fortunes of War": "hello Cologne, see ya (...) anybody here last time?"
- before "the Aftermath": "Happy X-mas, happy new year. (...) this is the last show this year in Germany..."

So long.



This is true. I also have 2 Cologne 1995 shows and speaches by Blaze are different. Yes the 22/12/95 is MP3 sourced (bouvet°ya sent me his copy of 22/12/95)

darthrya
Damn Gui!

Nice work! http://maidenlivehistory.free.fr/

When this is done, we need to put it at the top as a collaborator link of the Audio Master List, the DVD Master List (when it is finished), and covers sites.

I know Gui isn't the only one helping with this. Good work to everyone who has helped.
darthrya

I got an email today, worth discussing:
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHunter Hi Ryan

I have just been running through your list of Maidn gigs and recordings, first of all good work pullingthis all together , a few corrections though or clarification

in Dec 1985 Nicko and Adrian a=only played to gigs ones asthe Sherman tankers and the other as Entire Population Of hackney on the 19th , rest of band only appeared for the encores on the second night.

1988 donington - only on the 20th ,mixup is from the fact that maiden played on 22nd August in 1992 , thats maybe caused the confusion about 22nd date

I was there also , no chance that maiden played on 22nd or secret gig

1998 Norwich gig was at the waterfront in 1998 - tshirts for this gig had Iron maiden as THE ANGEL AND THE GAMBLERS with the ed hunter head, hand and dice like the one of the single covers


John (STEVEHUNTER)



The Donington date is pretty much a non-issue now. I have fixed it. Also, his comments on the 1998 secret gig on further molds the idea that it did in fact happen.

The big issue is the 1985 secret gigs. Skoog says there were four. John says there were only 2.

darthrya
We need to get the word to Steven and Skoog that they have the Charlotte and the Harlots and the Donington 88 gigs' dates listed wrong. See my notes at the Master List as to why I know their dates are wrong.
7H3CLAN5MEN

I received this email from a guy called Matti :

Quote:

Hello
There are also 2 discs version of this gig (I have it)
"27/10/1995 Helsinki, Finland Y 1"
Regards
Matti



Could anyone confirm ?

tay666
Just thought of something Ryan.
Might want to put a note on June 5th 1983 Stockholm.
I don't know how many times I have seen this listed on traders sites as 5/5/83 because the covers are incorrect.
Originally Posted by tay666 Just thought of something Ryan.
Might want to put a note on June 5th 1983 Stockholm.
I don't know how many times I have seen this listed on traders sites as 5/5/83 because the covers are incorrect.

darthrya


Got it. I've fixed the page on my hard drive, and I'll upload the changes later this week.

darthrya
Note to everyone:

If you notice little things like Trevor just pointed out, let me know. My list isn't all-informative, nor is it perfect. But little bits of help from everyone makes it that much a better resource for all.
darthrya
Kerkrade 83 - which is the real date?

Skoog has it listed as 5 November. Running Free and Gamba's book both have it listed as 11 November. Which is it?
Iron Paddy
Ryan

Just noticed this one as I have just printed the cover

Birmingham 22 May 1983

Front cover says Birmingham 1982

Little error
and obviously an error as set list is 1983
darthrya
World Slavery Tour questions:

According to Running Free:
1985.01.23 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.24 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.25 - Bethlehem, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.26 - no concert listed

According to Skoog:
1985.01.23 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.24 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.25 - Glen Falls, USA (played)
1985.01.26 - Allentown, USA (played)

According to Gamba:
1985.01.23 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.24 - New York City, USA (cancelled)
1985.01.25 - Bethlehem, USA (played)
1985.01.26 - no concert listed

Here's where I am confused: All three list a show for Allentown on 1 June. Did the band play Allentown twice as Skoog suggests, or just on the first of June as Gamba and Running Free suggest?

Was there a Glen Falls show on the 25th of January? Let's disregard Gamba's info since it's pretty much just a copy of Running Free, and it still makes mistakes in its copy.

Now, when the band cancelled it's later NYC shows and the Bethlehem show because of Bruce's illness, did they do it ahead of time? If so, I see a possibility that Bruce got better faster than anticipated, and the band decided to play another show in New York on the scheduled night for Behtlehem to make up for the two that got cancelled in NYC, then played a show in Allentown the next night to make up to Pennsylvania fans for the show in Bethlehem that got cancelled, too.

Still, I don't know who is correct. I am only making a guess as to why Skoog has his listed as such.
Originally Posted by darthrya Kerkrade 83 - which is the real date?

Skoog has it listed as 5 November. Running Free and Gamba's book both have it listed as 11 November. Which is it?

gandalf


According to THIS list the date is 1983-11-05. They didn't play anywhere on 1983-11-11.

This is the most complete list of Maiden gigs ever as far as I've been told. You can also find some details of each gig there as well.

EDIT: Sorry, I was checking Skoog's list wich is the most complete list as far as I've been told

socaled
According to the dates inside of the Live after Death re-master, which we know could be flawed they have Allentown on June 1st, Bethlehem on the 25th, and nothing on the 26th
Originally Posted by gandalf According to THIS list the date is 1983-11-05. They didn't play anywhere on 1983-11-11.

This is the most complete list of Maiden gigs ever as far as I've been told. You can also find some details of each gig there as well.

EDIT: Sorry, I was checking Skoog's list wich is the most complete list as far as I've been told.

darthrya


No problem. It's his list and other sources that are in conflict. While Skoog's is a great resource (and I borrow quite a bit from it for my list), he does have some notable errors. Use caution when borrowing from his list or anyone else's, including mine.

darthrya
Major Update!
I updated the Master List to include cancelled dates. I have found too many people either reporting to me "errors" of dates not on my list when they didn't know the date was cancelled, and quite often, people list shows based on the original, but cancelled, date instead of the rescheduled date.

Hopefully, this fixes these problems.

If you know of other cancelled dates I don't have on the list, let me know.
Originally Posted by Iron Paddy Ryan

Just noticed this one as I have just printed the cover

Birmingham 22 May 1983

Front cover says Birmingham 1982

Little error
and obviously an error as set list is 1983

darthrya


Thanks. I'm not too worried about that one since the error is quite obvious

Originally Posted by bouvet°ya Just a word concerning Nancy 14/04/1982 bootleg: i traded this bootleg once and the copy i received was actually a bad clone of Oxford 82. I haven't seen this bootleg twice among traders lists. I do think this bootleg does not exist so far. I am from Nancy and i might go for more investigations... (to be continued?).

juju


As far as I know , this boot doesn't exist (so far ...). from france, there are several boots available :
- Nogent sur Marne (paris)
- Nice
- Grenoble
- Mulhouse

no others I think

Originally Posted by juju - Mulhouse (1982)

no others I think

darthrya


Are you sure about the existence of a Mulhouse show

Originally Posted by darthrya Kerkrade 83 - which is the real date?

Skoog has it listed as 5 November. Running Free and Gamba's book both have it listed as 11 November. Which is it?

tay666


Let me read back through this thread. I think we hashed this one out already and decided on the 5th as the actual date

Originally Posted by Iron Paddy Ryan

Just noticed this one as I have just printed the cover

Birmingham 22 May 1983

Front cover says Birmingham 1982

Little error
and obviously an error as set list is 1983

tay666


Covers really have no bearing on the list.
There are tons of covers with incorrect dates.
The reason I mentioned the one earlier is because it has caused tons of traders to list the incorrect date for the show in question.

When I first started to get and print covers, I used to fix the ones with bad dates. But I have run across so many, I just haven't had the time to do any others. It's a lot more work to fix existing covers than to make new ones.

BTW, where did you get those covers, as I have 2 different sets and they are both correct.

darthrya
Thanks Trevor. I'm still not taking that date for granted. I want to investigate it a bit further. I'll be doing a fair amount of investigation during my Christmas break.
Originally Posted by darthrya Are you sure about the existence of a Mulhouse show?

juju


Yep I'm 100% sure as I'm french (so I understand whatr bruce says during the show)

Originally Posted by juju Yep I'm 100% sure as I'm french (so I understand whatr bruce says during the show)

darthrya


I am wondering why not many people have it, then. Did it just recently surface? Would you be willing to do a trade for it?

darthrya
Oakland 82

Two versions floating around: 18 July and 4 September. Can anyone verify that they are two different versions and not one in the same?
Originally Posted by darthrya Oakland 82

Two versions floating around: 18 July and 4 September. Can anyone verify that they are two different versions and not one in the same?

Iron Paddy

If no-one else responds then I have one Oakland show and another incoming. Will compare the 2 when I get it and see if different. Then try to work out which one is which date.

Originally Posted by darthrya I am wondering why not many people have it, then. Did it just recently surface? Would you be willing to do a trade for it?

juju


No it didn't recently surface. It's an old one (with good sound if I remember).
Unfortunately I stopped trading years ago (and I don't have my cds at home sorry)